Testfahrt 190 PS TDI

[Turboschlumpf40463]

Hatte nun das Vergnügen, von Freitag bis heute den Passat mit dem

190 PS-Motor DSG zu fahren. Es war ein Variant, Comfortline mit diverser

Zusatzausstattung, ohne Allrad.

Nachdem ich zuvor schon in dem 150PS-tdi die technischen Gimmicks,

wie ACC und AID testen konnte, lag der Focus nun auf der Motorisierung.

In den 4 Tagen bin ich insgesamt 1.500 km auf Landstraße, Stadt und

Autobahn unterwegs gewesen. Der Gesamteindruck ist folgender:

Sehr homogene Leistungsentfaltung. Die Abstufung des DSG passt sehr

gut zur Motorcharakteristik. Da ich von einer Multitronic komme, musste

ich mich erst an Details, wie Zurückschalten bei Leistungsabruf oder am Berg

sowie das Herausdrehen der Gänge bei voller Beschleunigung gewöhnen.

Das Fahrzeug war auch ohne Akkustikverglasung sehr leise, insgesamt sehr

gut gedämmt. Der Durchzug von 60 km/h oder auch 130 km/h ist beeindruckend.

Bis dato fahre ich den 2.0 tdi mit 177 PS und Multitronic in einem A4. Gegenüber

dieser Motor-/Getriebekomination fühlt sich der Passat um klassen stärker an.

Bis 200 km/h geht es flotter voran und bis zur erreichente Höchstgeschwindigkeit

(laut Anzeige 242 km/h auf der Eben) dauert es dann ein bisschen. Alles in allem

aber ausreichend für mich, so dass der 240 PS Biturbo nicht zwingend notwendig ist.

Gesamtverbrauch lag in den 4 Tagen bei gemischter, aber meist flotter Fahrweise bei

7,0 Liter pro 100 km. Da das Fahrzeug aber erst 5.500 km auf dem Buckel hat, geht

der Verbrauch sicherlich noch um ein paar Zehntel nach untern.

Gesamturteil: Zum Fahrzeug ein sehr gut passender Antriebe, bei dem mir lediglich

Allrad und EDS gefehlt haben. Ansonsten wirklich uneingeschränkt zu empfehlen und

im Vergleich zu den bisherigen 2.0 tdi mit 177 PS noch mal eine spürbare Verbesserung

in Puncto Leistungsentfaltung, V-max und Verbrauch.

[ZockerMax]

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@Konvi schrieb am 14. Februar 2016 um 12:38:27 Uhr:

8 Gang "S Tronic" :confused: Wohl eher 8 Gang Wandler?

Erwischt :-) Wollte es hier nur sportlich klingen lassen :-P

[Kurvenräuber48969]

Das war nur meine"Rache" weil ich auch gerade hier wegen meiner Unkenntnis, dass es beim B8 kein Xenon mehr gibt, "angemacht" wurde ;)

[xpla]

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@tomasbartininkas schrieb am 30. Januar 2016 um 18:28:44 Uhr:

Zitat:

I suggest you test drive another car at the dealer and make a complaint also if your car is worse.

They are actually very smooth and nice when they work as the should !

Dear Martin,

thank you. The curse living in a small country is that dealers don't have any 190PS test cars. Most of clients in Lithuania choose either 150TDI or 150 - 180 TSI, so dealers have only those three model to test.

Also I noticed that in cold wheather (-15C) vs. today (+5C) vibrations vary quite a lot. Diesel fuel was the same Statoil Milesplus D* used in both temperatures, all other conditions the same, however vibrations in +5C vere noticably lower, but still persistant and anoying.

Now I drive inside city mostly in S mode, and engine doesn't run lower than 1500 rpm and keeps in turbo zone, DSG doesn't downshifts, so everything is much smoother, no such a huge peaks of torq-on vs. torq-off. But the damn diesel sounds then like vacuum cleaner.

I already started talking with dealer about selling-back this car, however the car is 2015-December, so it's "one year old car", and according to dealers policy they ofer me only 70 percent of pricelist. That's huge loss for having car for 2 months.

So I decided to list this car privately, and if I get apporx 80 percent from pricelist price, I'd trade this car and then go for 220 TSI. However it's very doubtful to manage to sell such an upmarket model (many options included) when majority buys simple 150TDI comfortlines or even trendlines.

That's why the biggest probability is to continue it riding in S mode for many years... Sad story for a new car which cost near 50k € and delivers no joy.

Thank you for your inspiration, I'll definitely apply once again to dealer,

Best, Tomas

Hi Tomas,

thank you for sharing your experience with the engine. I tried the very same engine in an A4 Quattro B9. I went nuts with the engine. The engine noise is very low above 1.400 RPM but the S-Tronic in drive-mode shifts up one gear very quickly so it runs around 1.200 RPM. At this RPM the engine creates a typical diesel engine humming. Well, you can't get a car where everything is perfect, right? So i gave the S-Mode a try and then it shifted one gear down. Well, for me it's quite too much RPM because now the engine sound is without humming but it just sounds that the RPM is too high for floating with the traffic.

I would have made a compromise about that but then i started using the cruise control and the system started to ignore the S-Mode and shifted up one gear so the humming started.

I don't know why people can live with such a big issue. I guess most of the car owners don't own it, the company owns the car. So they get a long with what they get. For me it's a dealbreaker for now.

[Achsmanschette25144]

Just some feedback on this topic.

My car has now done 10.000km.

Vibration at 14-1500 rpm is still the same, but since I changed to summer tyres (18" Kalamata) my problems with the huge turbo-lag below 1800 rpm is more or less gone.

It now pulls strongly from 14-1500 rpm like all the other 10cars with 190Tdi 4-motion DSG that I have tested during the winter.

I suppose my Goodyear UG Ice 2 Nordic Friction winter tyres are so soft that some sort of traction control or ESP function restricts engine torque (without lighting up the Traction control lamp). They are very nice and quiet compared to the other wintertyres I have tested on the other cars but maybe too soft..

Haven't heard anything more from the dealer yet, but now the car is somewhat more acceptable, albeit it vibrates a lot.

[Achsmanschette25144]

So, just some feedback on my car problems.

Vibration and turbo lag came back after a few weeks on summer tyres.

It seemed like if you reset the tyre pressure monitoring it worked better for a while, but that was not consistent.

In middle of May I got a software update of the engine. Then the turbo lag was worse than ever!

But maybe emissions were better? ;)

 

Finally after 6 months of arguing with the dealer we agreed that they take the car back and let me order a new one !

Test drove a lot of 190Tdi DSG cars, Superb, new Tiguan etc.

My car is definatley not good, but all 190 Tdi has some tendency to slow response at low revs, and I know it would drive me crazy.

Finally I tested a Passat BiTDI 240hp.

Completley different machine ;)

Tomorrow my 190hp Alltrack is inspected, and next friday I will get my new BiTurbo ! :)

[Ham77]

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@plexxarn schrieb am 14. September 2016 um 14:21:51 Uhr:

So, just some feedback on my car problems.

Vibration and turbo lag came back after a few weeks on summer tyres.

It seemed like if you reset the tyre pressure monitoring it worked better for a while, but that was not consistent.

In middle of May I got a software update of the engine. Then the turbo lag was worse than ever!

But maybe emissions were better? ;)

 

Finally after 6 months of arguing with the dealer we agreed that they take the car back and let me order a new one !

Test drove a lot of 190Tdi DSG cars, Superb, new Tiguan etc.

My car is definatley not good, but all 190 Tdi has some tendency to slow response at low revs, and I know it would drive me crazy.

Finally I tested a Passat BiTDI 240hp.

Completley different machine ;)

Tomorrow my 190hp Alltrack is inspected, and next friday I will get my new BiTurbo ! :)

Congratulation

Did u think about kodiaq? It looks not bad ;-)

http://www.skoda-auto.de/models/kodiaq-neu

[ZockerMax]

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@plexxarn schrieb am 14. September 2016 um 14:21:51 Uhr:

but all 190 Tdi has some tendency to slow response at low revs, and I know it would drive me crazy.

If it drives you crazy, why did you buy one? Hopefully the 2nd Turbo will fit your needs. Otherwise only the V6 or V8 Diesel are left for you in other cars from VAG ;)

[thiz rox]

Ist es jetzt cool in einem deutschen Forum auf Englisch zu schreiben?

[gbeuch]

Ist doch Europas größte Community

[Stefffe]

Was deutsch ist, muss deutsch bleiben!

[Kurvenräuber132916]

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@Stefffe schrieb am 15. September 2016 um 19:39:50 Uhr:

Was deutsch ist, muss deutsch bleiben!

Oh Mann und das mit der Signatur

[#1850]

Ich würde das mal als Ironie werten. ;)

Diverse Mitforisten aus dem Ausland sind uns hier mit ihren englischen Sprachkenntnissen wertvolle Mitglieder. Und da sehe ich überhaupt kein Problem auf englisch zu kommunizieren.

[Achsmanschette25144]

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@ZockerMax schrieb am 15. September 2016 um 09:42:21 Uhr:

Zitat:

@plexxarn schrieb am 14. September 2016 um 14:21:51 Uhr:

but all 190 Tdi has some tendency to slow response at low revs, and I know it would drive me crazy.

If it drives you crazy, why did you buy one? Hopefully the 2nd Turbo will fit your needs. Otherwise only the V6 or V8 Diesel are left for you in other cars from VAG ;)

Well, the "good" 190 engines I have driven are ok I guess. The demo car I testdrove before ordering my car was ok as far as I could tell from a 15 minute drive.

But since I got my car I have driven a lot of different 190tdi's 12-15 different cars the last year, and they vary quite a lot. Some feel pretty good, and if I would had gotten one of those I probably would not be so bothered. Others are a bit unresponsive, (and my car is very slow).

But the thing is I also have a 2015 Tiguan R-line with the 177hp engine which feels much more responsive than any 190hp I have ever driven. Almost zero turbolag and very nice shifting by the 7-speed DSG.

I cannot believe that not one magazine test has complained about this! If you testdrive these engines back-to back you will be amazed.

I feel the 190 always shifts so it is running at rpm's where it has no torque. The 177 is always in the power-band.

I was of course very dissapointed when I then got my Passat.

To now order another 190 and getting another half decent example was not something I wanted to do.