Sorry its in English: Help decide, please!! Have 2018 G01 -> Thinking about G45 20 or 30e
I'm sorry I post in English, my written German is not so good yet for such writing, but, I can translate the answers to English if needed, thanks for your help/input!
Dear all,
Long time no participate in the forum, but, the time has come to change from my current 2018 G01. My old account has been deleted as I was no longer using it after the G01 came.
I am thinking about a G45 20 or 30e. Here where I live (abroad) the 30e would be about 1.250,00 (after all discounts) more expensive than the 20 with pretty much the same configuration/specs. The only major/minor difference is that I was told I cannot do 18 tires for winter, only 19, and that's reflected already on the final price with discounts etc...
To be honest, I am not sure if it's good or bad, if I should go with one or the other, and, would love to hear feedback from the forum to help me make a decision.
I drive very little.. my current G01 has maybe 75.000kms since late 2018. Currently, I drive on the weekends usually nearby for groceries and other small things, and sometimes during the week maybe 10-20km tops. Maybe 2-3x a year about 300kms (150km each way) and also maybe once a year 600-700 hundred each way... (but very seldom!)
I've also attached the specs of what I am want in the car.
Thanks for any and all input,
X3inZug
13 Antworten
adding the second attachment
Are you able to charge the PHEV at home or at work and maybe even with solar panels?
If yes I would clearly go for the 30e. It has much more power, is consuming less petrol if used as a PHEV and has a pure electric range of usable 80km.
The 20 is ok if you don't want to drive a lot on the highway but might be lacking some power as the X3 already is a heavy car and if the car is fully loaded with 4 passangers and luggage. If you are a more or less calm driver and don't plan to have some fun while overtaking or going on the highway the 20 is totaly fine.
With the price difference you also need to take taxes into account where the 30e will be less than the 20 and also if you can charge for free running costs are much lower so the initialy higher price will equal over time and be a plus in the long term.
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@Ravenous666 schrieb am 13. Mai 2025 um 20:11:43 Uhr:
Are you able to charge the PHEV at home or at work and maybe even with solar panels?If yes I would clearly go for the 30e. It has much more power, is consuming less petrol if used as a PHEV and has a pure electric range of usable 80km.
The 20 is ok if you don't want to drive a lot on the highway but might be lacking some power as the X3 already is a heavy car and if the car is fully loaded with 4 passangers and luggage. If you are a more or less calm driver and don't plan to have some fun while overtaking or going on the highway the 20 is totaly fine.
With the price difference you also need to take taxes into account where the 30e will be less than the 20 and also if you can charge for free running costs are much lower so the initialy higher price will equal over time and be a plus in the long term.
Dear Ravenous666, thanks for the prompt answer.
I would need to install at home a charging station in the garage. Its possible and "pre-wired"... but, would still cost me around CHF2.700,00 all in. At work I am not able to charge for free, and I don't really drive to work, so, I would charge while in the shopping center, or at a hotel/away from home. I am even considering, should I invest the 2.700 to install a station at home, or just charge elsewhere? (I'm a total newbie in this category)
A Follow up question is: What is the general sense for seat comfort for the leather option vs the fake leather? very different?
Danke
Nice spec by the way. I would not order the glas roof and put the money into the M Sports Pro package and the adaptive suspension. Much higher value in dayly use.
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I ordered my M50 with the merino leather and the seating comfort is realy nice and comfortable. For me the artificial leather had this "rubbery" feeling which i didn't like.
You can also charge the car on a normal outlet if you plug it in in the afternoon as it might take a bit longer to charge. Also depends on the pricoing of the kWh of you contract if the PHEV will pay off. But most likely it will be cheaper and you have a lot more power. If you want to use the trailer hitch not only for a bike caiier, the 20 might be a bit weak.
Dear Ravenous666, Thanks again for the help!
So,
Regarding the "adaptive suspension" I have it in the quote attached already. Its the first thing under M Sports Package: S0223 Adaptive suspension 760.00
In regards to getting the M Sports Pro package, I felt was just "cosmetic" changes withour "real benefits" so I passed it as was expensive. Am I wrong? Is there anything other than "cosmetic" upgrades here? better headlights? breaks? other?
I do like the glass roof, as it gives a sense of spaciousness, specially when there's people in the back seats... so I kept it.
Thanks for the feedback on the merino leather.
Last but not least, yes, the trailer hitch is being used only for a bike carrier. (would love to use it for a back trunk carrier as well instead of having a box on top of the car... but not sure yet if its a good idea or not... and which to buy?)
I have no idea where to start with the "pricing of the kWh of your contract" as I have not done any research, but I guess I will look into it if I go with the 30e, as I have time between order and delivery to decide to fit one in my garage initially, or just use in the streets.
Thanks again.
What do you pay at home for power?
The M-Sports Pro includes the adaptive headlights, tinted lights, black grill, iconic glow, better brakes and M-Sports details on the seatbelts In the end it's less than 2000,- more for the Pro but makes it a much nicer car visually.
I had the panoramic roof on my G01 for the exact same reason you mention besides the benefit of opening it but to be hones in hot summer days and cold winter days the sunshade was closed and also the car was much quieter with the sunshade closed or compared to a X3 without panoramic roof so I'm not missing it at all now.
No doubt I would take the 30e if you have the possibility to charge regularly. I have it and I am really satisfied with the engine(s). For the usecase that you described it could be a perfect match. But even a distance of 600-700 kilometres is possible without a stop due to the speed limit in Switzerland.
A nice feature of this engine is additionally that you have a pre heating/pre cooling function before you enter the car.
Concerning one point Ravenous is wrong I guess. In case of the 30e (and the 20) the adaptive LED lights are not part of the M package Pro. When you take the M Pro package the premium package is automatically added for additionally € 1.680,- and this contains the adaptive lights. Prices may be different but logic should be the same in Switzerland.
Hey BMWG45, thanks for your response and confirming my use case works well for the 30e. (and thanks for the reminder of the speed limit in Switzerland ;( ;( ;( )
Indeed the heating/pre cooling is a MUST for me, and, I had the option configured in the 20, but that would only do pre-heating, not cooling. And I love it... so I am excited that on the few days the car is out in the sun, I can pre-cool it too to be nice when I come in...
And yes, as you mentioned, I guess Ravenous did not see on my 30e offer that with the M package the adaptive lights is already included, so, the M pro was a bit of more cosmetics, ok, and it seems a better break, .. but I guess the normal break should be good enough?!
Now, anyone reading here, and in Switzerland: What's your experience negotiating discounts? How much have you managed to get including all accessories etc... more or less? 16%? 20%? more? ... thanks again, appreciate all the answers and educating me.
also, is it bad that the 30e is AC and not DC power?
Hello,
I would generally recommend the 20-liter petrol engine; it's much lighter and also has good fuel consumption.
I've opted for an X3 40d.
Best regards, Manfred
Zitat:@X3inZug schrieb am 14. Mai 2025 um 07:52:10 Uhr:
Hey BMWG45, thanks for your response and confirming my use case works well for the 30e. (and thanks for the reminder of the speed limit in Switzerland ;( ;( ;( )Indeed the heating/pre cooling is a MUST for me, and, I had the option configured in the 20, but that would only do pre-heating, not cooling. And I love it... so I am excited that on the few days the car is out in the sun, I can pre-cool it too to be nice when I come in...And yes, as you mentioned, I guess Ravenous did not see on my 30e offer that with the M package the adaptive lights is already included, so, the M pro was a bit of more cosmetics, ok, and it seems a better break, .. but I guess the normal break should be good enough?!Now, anyone reading here, and in Switzerland: What's your experience negotiating discounts? How much have you managed to get including all accessories etc... more or less? 16%? 20%? more? ... thanks again, appreciate all the answers and educating me.
I can confirm that the regular break of the 30e is absolutely ok under normal road conditions, especially under your speed limit restrictions. 😉 I had the M break on my G01 30d and it was no gamechanger. The main advantage of the M break is the consistency under hard conditions. The influence of a very good tyre on the single breaking situation is much higher.
Zitat:@X3inZug schrieb am 14. Mai 2025 um 09:01:31 Uhr:
also, is it bad that the 30e is AC and not DC power?
Along the highways you find meanwhile mainly DC chargers. But with a Plug in hybrid you normally don‘t charge when you are on the way. The 30e has an energy management when you use the navigation system and additionally you have the recuperation effect. And even when the battery is empty there is always some energy left for a short boost. The most important thing is that you have an AC charger close to the place where you live or close to the place where you work. In the cities and/or parking garages you also find enough AC chargers. For me it was so far no serious problem that the 30e has no DC charging option.