BMW-Rückruf: BMW ruft 324.000 Autos wegen Brandgefahr zurück (AGR)
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Zurückgerufen würden BMW 3er, 4er, 5er, 6er, 7er, X3, X4, X5 und X6 mit Vierzylinder-Dieselmotoren, die zwischen April 2015 bis September 2016 gebaut wurden, und mit 6-Zylinder-Dieselmotoren, die zwischen Juli 2012 und Juni 2015 gebaut wurden.
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...wer sich gegenüber BMW verpflichtet, dauerhaft ohne AGR rumzufahren, bekommt statt eines neuen AGR-Kühlers ein Erlebniswochenende mit Horst Seehofer in Berlin-Kreuzberg geschenkt.
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The pressure sensor test has nothing to do with the i-level. The test is for detecting leakage in the intake manifold. Not the AGR cooler. If the car is failing this test you will get a brand new intake manifold. Prattle.
I don’t get anything because there is a software update that they have to do from BMW Germany something to do to with getting a warning before the car starts to burn. Without that software update the dealer is not allowed to change the Korens Cooler for a Borg Warner. If I go to an I depended BMW workshop they will replace the AGR cooler without doing the update but I have to pay 798 euro replacing the new cooler. Is always the same thing with BMW , they always hide behind everything. I told my dealer if the AGR cooler is leaking it’s because the Korens Cooler have production failure, this should be replaced by BMW even if they can’t program the car. A new software update has nothing to do with The AGR with a production default. I told the dealer if my car burns up I wil contact my insurance and take BMW to court.
Yes you‘re absolutely right. But as said, you have to obey the rules. No chance otherwise to get anything. And the idea to drag bmw to court… Not a good one imho. This ends up sadly - for you.
...technically there is no need for a mandatory firmware update when changing the EGR-unit to BORG-WARNER.
On 6-cylinder engine there is no such firmware update because there are less prone to enter the critical operating range - EGR gas temperature that is - where a leaking EGR-cooler might result in an engine fire.
To safeguard the system the regular temperature sensor (see below) located downstream of the EGR-cooler will trigger the updated engine management to reduce engine power in case of excessive EGR-temperatures indicating a possible fire.
I consider this feature unsafe, because it may lead to power loss in critical traffic situations.
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@steffmaster78 schrieb am 3. Juni 2023 um 14:03:58 Uhr:
Yes you‘re absolutely right. But as said, you have to obey the rules. No chance otherwise to get anything. And the idea to drag bmw to court… Not a good one imho. This ends up sadly - for you.
I know if I go to court I can’t win , but I have insurance with an attorney and u don’t have to pay. So putting this in the news paper is bad publicity for BMW. The independent BMW specialist will replace the Korens cooler for the new Borg Wagner and I will pay for it. Fuck BMW Germany with there stupid rules.
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@maxmosley schrieb am 3. Juni 2023 um 14:15:11 Uhr:
...technically there is no need for a mandatory firmware update when changing the EGR-unit to BORG-WARNER.
On 6-cylinder engine there is no such firmware update because there are less prone to enter the critical operating range - EGR gas temperature that is - where a leaking EGR-cooler might result in an engine fire.
To safeguard the system the regular temperature sensor (see below) located downstream of the EGR-cooler will trigger the updated engine management to reduce engine power in case of excessive EGR-temperatures indicating a possible fire.
I consider this feature unsafe, bcause it may lead to power loss in critical traffic situations.
What if I programmed the new I- level on the DME with Esys , with Esy you can program single ECU without having to update the whole car like with Ista. If the I-level of the DME is up to date they have no reason to deny the replacement of the AGR cooler ??
...it's simply incomprehensible how BMW got away with this EGR-issue for all these years.
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@TwointjePan schrieb am 3. Juni 2023 um 14:23:33 Uhr:
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@maxmosley schrieb am 3. Juni 2023 um 14:15:11 Uhr:
...technically there is no need for a mandatory firmware update when changing the EGR-unit to BORG-WARNER.
On 6-cylinder engine there is no such firmware update because there are less prone to enter the critical operating range - EGR gas temperature that is - where a leaking EGR-cooler might result in an engine fire.
To safeguard the system the regular temperature sensor (see below) located downstream of the EGR-cooler will trigger the updated engine management to reduce engine power in case of excessive EGR-temperatures indicating a possible fire.
I consider this feature unsafe, bcause it may lead to power loss in critical traffic situations.What if I programmed the new I- level on the DME with Esys , with Esy you can program single ECU without having to update the whole car like with Ista. If the I-level of the DME is up to date they have no reason to deny the replacement of the AGR cooler ??
...upon EGR-cooler swap the shop has to run the complete procedure and document it.
That - as well as the firmware update - is done while the car is connected to the BMW-server.
As far as I know a firmware-downgrade later on is not possible.
"milk101" will know the details.
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@TwointjePan schrieb am 3. Juni 2023 um 14:19:31 Uhr:
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@steffmaster78 schrieb am 3. Juni 2023 um 14:03:58 Uhr:
Yes you‘re absolutely right. But as said, you have to obey the rules. No chance otherwise to get anything. And the idea to drag bmw to court… Not a good one imho. This ends up sadly - for you.I know if I go to court I can’t win , but I have insurance with an attorney and u don’t have to pay. So putting this in the news paper is bad publicity for BMW. The independent BMW specialist will replace the Korens cooler for the new Borg Wagner and I will pay for it. Fuck BMW Germany with there stupid rules.
Okay, but it this is a hard way for you with lots of efforts. I absolutely understand you’re pissed-off. As welk as thousands others with you.
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@maxmosley schrieb am 3. Juni 2023 um 14:33:50 Uhr:
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@TwointjePan schrieb am 3. Juni 2023 um 14:23:33 Uhr:
What if I programmed the new I- level on the DME with Esys , with Esy you can program single ECU without having to update the whole car like with Ista. If the I-level of the DME is up to date they have no reason to deny the replacement of the AGR cooler ??
...upon EGR-cooler swap the shop has to run the complete procedure and document it.
That - as well as the firmware update - is done while the car is connected to the BMW-server.
As far as I know a firmware-downgrade later on is not possible.
"milk101" will know the details.
I dont understand why they have to do a firmware update to be able to replace the Korens EGR cooller for the Borg-Warner, the Korens cooler is defect so replace it with a new one. So now that i have the 2 retrofits doen on my F10 ,no BMW dealer can repare my car anymore? The SSD from my original NBT was broken thats why i replaced it with an NBT-EVO. So maybe i better look out to by a second hand NBT so that someone can buld it back in and code everything so when my car is broken like now the dealer or an independent shop can repait my car.
I cald a independend BMW shop and told them about my problem and they said if you agree we will order a new EGR cooler from Borg-Warner and replace it and do a pressure check you dont need the firmware update if you dont want it. So if i pay an independent can do it ,the dealer refuses it to do it even if i would pay everything. I dont understand this what does the changing of a stupid radio- navigation system has to do with a broken peace on my engine that was manufactered badly?
...as far as I know firmware updates are tailored to the original hardware set (ECUs).
In case an ECU has been replaced by a different type (upgrade), the firmware update might faill.
As outlined above BMW calls for that mandatory update in order to implement that safety feature.
It is not referenced to the cooler swap itself.
The 6-cylinder engines do without.
All right, my 30d hasn't got any update so far. I mentioned it also that I don't want any Software update as I changed to 6WB.
Dein 30d muss auch nicht programmiert werden bei der Aktion. Hier gehts aber aktuell um eine andere Variante.
Da bei uns gestern der Kühlmitteltank leer war, hab ich heute mal den Freundlichen angerufen und erfahren dass man sich bezüglich des Rückrufs selber bei der ND melden muss! Es ist nicht so, wie im Brief aufgeführt, dass sich jemand meldet sobald das Teil verfügbar ist!!! Also nicht warten sondern gleich bei der ND melden damit diese den Kühler überhaupt bestellen können. Die NDs wissen angeblich nicht wer alles vom Rückruf betroffen ist (so die Aussage zu mir). Nur mal so als Info.
Bin mal gespannt wie versaut die Ansaugbrücke nach dem Verlust ist bzw. ob BMW diese gleich mittauscht oder zumindest sauber macht...
Der Verschmutzungsgrad der Ansaugbrücke hat nichts mit dem Verlust von Kühlmittel zu tun. Und eine neue ASB bekommst du nur, wenn der sogenannte Funktionstest Drucksensorik fehlschlägt. Saubermachen? Du beliebst wohl zu scherzen… Teiletauschen lautet das Motto.