Leistungssteigerung – Chiptuning

[cleo66]

Hallo @

Gibt es schon Insignia Fahrer die ihr Fahrzeug leistungsgesteigert haben ?

An welche Firmen speziell für Opel kann man sich wenden?

Mir gefällt die Leistungsentfaltung an meinem 1.6 Turbo gar nicht.
Hätte lieber einen gleichmäßigeren Drehmomentenverlauf und nicht diesen
plötzlich einsetzende unharmonischen Turbo Bums.

Auf Kirmesschrott aus der e-Bucht stehe ich auch nicht,
deshalb suche ich nach guten namhaften Anbieter die ggf. Garantie und vorallem Gutachten anbieten.

Außerdem sollte der Eingriff über die OBD Schnittstelle erfolgen.
Also nix mit Steuergerät öffnen und Chip auslöten.

Falls es Gleichgesinnte oder gar schon Erfahrungen gibt ,
dann bitte ich um eure Berichte.

*EDIT*
Auch wenn es gelegentlich schon einige Wortbeiträge gibt , so stehen diese leider total verstreut im Insignia Forum.
Deshalb habe ich diesen Thread eröffnet um die Beiträge hier zu sammeln.

Kurz über lang werden einige User das Verlangen haben und können sich dann hier austauschen.

Gruß Cleo66

[Trennschleifer8544]

But I have extacly the same EDS software in my car, I was told by Arno from EDS that my software also was in newspaper and should be equeal to ~310 KM, when I will have opportunity to compare my car vs Irmsher I will put the results here for sure. No mater what results get.

But now I have real numbers tested here. Just pay attention what KM offers klasen and others tuners now for 2.0T. It is 250-265 KM.

why ? 🙂

If I will heave other ways to measure my car than gtechpro and VTG I will put the info here also , so far nothing changed:

0-100 in ~6,3 /close to the stock insignia 2.8T or old stock VC 2.8T/ to 7,1 s - measured with gtech and recorded on video , results depends on start and road condition, very kin to compare vs VC OPC on wet road

0-120 in low 8 s
0-130 in 9 s -10 , for me low 9 sec
1/4 mile 15,3-15,6 s
60-100 - low 3 s on second gear , high 3 or low 4 s on fourth
60-100 - ~7-8 s on fourth gear
The measure 0-200 was not possible so far, guess maybe 27 maybe 30 s

Now look at V6T , old, transversely mounted, no DI , heavy. thirsty. Just compare V6T to charged straight line 6 cyl. from BMW, or S4, how many stages you need to catch up ?

At the end very interesting question, we have for sure 2.8T after some engine modifications, what would be the results for 2.0T stage 4 ? True 150-160 KM/liter and 150 kg less car weight ?

[focus3333]

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Original geschrieben von jooseph

60-100 - low 3 s on second gear , high 3 or low 4 s on fourth
60-100 - ~7-8 s on fourth gear

Woah now you are not even much faster than the good old unerperforming Opel V6 T but also beat the S4 by far who makes it in 5 sec (60-100/4th gear) with 333 HP (or more 😉) and 440 Nm

[focus3333]

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Original geschrieben von jooseph

60-100 - low 3 s on second gear , high 3 or low 4 s on fourth
60-100 - ~7-8 s on fourth gear

Woah now you are not even much faster than the good old unerperforming Opel V6 T but also beat the S4 by far who makes it in 5 sec (60-100/4th gear) with 333 HP (or more 😉) and 440 Nm

I believe you should calibrate your speedometer, could be done at Opel dealer

[Trennschleifer8544]

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Woah now you are not even much faster than the good old unerperforming Opel V6 T but also beat the S4 by far who makes it in 5 sec (60-100/4th gear) with 333 HP (or more 😉) and 440 Nm

I believe you should calibrate your speedometer, could be done at Opel dealer

what do you mean ?

S4 avant 333KM 60-100/4th gear - 5 sec , 440 NM
my car 60-100/4th gear 7-8 sec 430 NM

as for old V6T it needs a can of glue to have better traction,

[focus3333]

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what do you mean ?

S4 avant 333KM 60-100/4th gear - 5 sec , 440 NM
my car 60-100/4th gear 7-8 sec 430 NM

as for old V6T it needs a can of glue to have better traction,

NO it's too heavy and therefore traction is perfect 😁
You wrote : 60-100 - low 3 s on second gear , high 3 or low 4 s on fourth which means 4th
Maybe the digits on your gear box AND speedometer have been changed for polish market 😛

[Trennschleifer8544]

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Original geschrieben von jooseph

NO it's too heavy and therefore traction is perfect 😁
You wrote : 60-100 - low 3 s on second gear , high 3 or low 4 s on fourth which means 4th
Maybe the digits on your gear box AND speedometer have been changed for polish market 😛

should be:

60-100 low 3 s on second gear /high 3 or low 4 s/
on fourth 60-100 - ~ 7-8 s on fourth gear

[Spannungsprüfer8086]

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what do you mean by "other cars with more power" ?

Reading is not your core competence I suppose 😛
EDS, Klasen, represented by Irmscher and Steinmetz.

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I have uploaded the same software that german tuners claim 310/450 from eds, the VTG has revised it to be 268/430, suppose you have some basic problems with logic ??

Uhh, you talk about logic 😛

Here some facts for you:

1) Your 2.0T has the mapping for 310hp and 450Nm but only gains 268/440.

2) The 2.0T remapped by EDS (Irmscher) or Klasen (Steinmetz) are declared with 300/466 respectively 295/453.

3) Irmscher and Steinmetz never ever send cars to a motor magazine which do not have at least the power which is declared in their prospects. You can be sure that these Insignias had around 300hp on a dyno – the Klasen-mapped probably more. To recognize this you only have to check the 0-200 time (weight is minor matter) and compare it to the OPCs (which had around 330hp and almost 500Nm in the tests).

Hence, your 2.0T has a lack of at least 30hp and 20Nm in comparison to the Irmscher/Steinmetz cars. Anyhow, your 2.0T has the dramatically better acceleration? Who of us has difficulties with logic? 😁

Buddy, you made my day! More stories like this please 😉

Hello Everybody !

Jooseph is our customer and his car was Tuned with our IPF System .
the cars performance was dramaticly increased , but on the dyno there was a HP differenz measured by heat problems , the dyno is set up with additional retarder break , the transmission loss at 160km/h was nearly 70kW during the test so from my experiance with 20 years dyno testing i know , that even at standart twin dyno rollers there is NEVER more gearbox loss then 20-25kw at 160km/h !

With low power , you get much less heat in the intercooler to exchange , so the stock power run you can do with high retarder loads and small fans , no Problem !

BUT with 300PS you are running 1.45-1.5Bar Boost pressure at the A20NHT engine and your intercooler temperatur it going to rise to the moon at these conditions .... and the ecu is cutting off the power after the boost is coming up latest after 4500RPM , exactly that was happend!

So testing facilitys must have min. 120km/h fan speed and a permanent charge cooler temperatur monitoring , when they READ more then 50-60°C they can stop the dyno test and reduce the redarderload or install better fans for chargecooling !

reg. Arno Schindler
EDS-Fahrzeugtechnik

[roland31265]

Hallo zusammen

war heute bei Klasen zwecks Softwareänderung für meinen 160PS Diesel.
Klasen und auch kein anderer Hersteller, laut seiner Aussage Stefan Klasen, können zur Zeit die neuen Modelle, ab Baujahr 2010, mit neuer Software Leistungssteigern.
Auch die älteren Modell, die das von Opel aufgeforderte Motorupdate bekommen, können zur Zeit nich getunt werden. Opel hatt einen sogenannten "Tuning-Blocker" eingebracht.
Es wir noch etwas dauern, bis der Blocker geknackt is.
Also heißt die Divise für Diesel-Fahrer, warten, warten, warten.
Nur die einen "alten" Diesel, vor Bj.2010 und noch kein Motorupdate bekommen haben, können die Stufe 1 auf 190 PS bekommen.

Bis dann
Roland

[Spannungsprüfer8086]

Hallo !

Jeder Kunde kann selbst rausfinden , ob sein Fahrzeug Tunebar ist !

Alle ECUs mit folgender Hardwarenummer sind wie folgt Tunebar:

Bosch : 0281 015 xxx : Verwendung bis 12.09
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Egal ob Opel Update vorgenommen wurde oder nicht , ohne Probleme tunebar bis 210PS .

Bosch : 0281 016 xxx : Verwendung bis 03.10
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Bis zur 1. Regeneration läuft das Tuning danach Notprogramm , noch keine Lösung in Sicht .

Bosch : 0281 017 xxx : Verwendung ab 04.10
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Motorstart ist OK , aber sobald sich erstes Mal die Räder drehen kommt die Abschaltung mit Notprogramm , noch keine Lösung in Sicht!

Der Grund ist eine Verschärfung des Sicherheitslevels bei der Checksummenauswertung , das wird noch etwas dauern , bis das Problem beseitigt ist , aber dann gehts auch per IPF und dann OHNE das ECU öffnen zu müssen !

mfg Arno Schindler
EDS-Fahrzeugtechnik GmbH

[Trennschleifer8544]

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Originally posted by TTR350

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Originally posted by jooseph
for example
0-130 km/h
7.7 sec after stage4 2.8T
low 9 seconds after 2.0T eds remap, after inlet / exhaust upgrade would be less noticeable

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Low 9 means about 1.9 sec to 3.9 sec right?

Sun then I must asked me, why the irmscher 2.0 T with 300 hp could only match the following times-

00-40 km/h 1.6 s
00-60 km/h 3.0 s
00-80 km/h 4.5 s
0-100 km/h 6,5 s
0-120 km/h 8.9 s
0-140 km/h 11.7 s
0-160 km/h 15.7 s
0-180 km/h 20.5 s
0-200 km/h 27.9 s

-> Tested by sports car

So the 0-130 time should be approx. Why is your car 2:10 sec with so many less hp faster than he Irmscher with 300 hp?
Stage is so short the 100-230 4 2.8 T below 16 seconds-the Irmscher needs for 100-200 = 4:21 seconds. So you see with increasing speed the distance will be bigger and bigger!
So to be sure I have tested the speed on highway clear vs 100-276. Porsche Cayenne Turbo (old version with 450 hp, 0-100 5.5 sec, 0-200 20.1 sec), and this car was no centimerter away from me.
Next time I will test vs. my buddy with a stock Audi S4 B8😉
And don `t forget the following-it` s not only the max torque and hp-it is the speed range WHERE you have the power! For example-Insignia OPC has only a short peak with max. power-my datasheet shows power of over 300 hp between 4550 rpm till 6500 rpm This is a big advantage for accleration and connection to the Next Gear! [/ Quote]

Now I am a bit confused .... I am still waiting for the chart from ttr and do not know what power / torque has his V6T day ago ... but I have read that old article where Insignia OPC sport tourer upgraded by Steinmetz / Klasen was used to beat top speed on Nardo,

this car has: big IC, turbo, exhaust, remap,
~ 395 KM,
~ 550 Nm,
~ 5.9 s to 100 km/h /on 20 inch rims and heavier tourer version/

so I see a few possible answers beacuse I thought that ttr car has less than 500 NM , 450 NM exctacly ?

1. That car in article is a ttr`s car
2 ttr car now has at least 395 KM/550 NM, or is close to these numbers
3. Klasen made a mistake
4 ttr made a mistake
5 numbers in the newspaper - "Auto Bild Sportscars" are a mistake

so, dear Jurgen please explain me above ... 😉

ps or, maybe that porsche cayenne was on 30 inch rims ?

[Caravan16V]

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so, dear Jurgen please explain me above ... 😉

No problem. You do not comprehend, that a car with less power and less torque can not be faster than a similar car (Klasen/EDS 2.0T measured by magazines) with more power and more torque. That is the sticking point. All comparisons to TTRs car or the Klasen Nardo-Insignia are nonsense. Amen!

If Arno has right with his thesis, you have much more than 268hp and 430Nm. And under this condition (only under this condition), your measurements get more reliability.

The only thing which interests me yet, how your car is able to drive with 130 Km/h in the 2nd gear...

Jürgen

[Trennschleifer8544]

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Originally posted by Caravan16V [/ i]

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Originally posted by jooseph [/ i]
Sun dear Jurgen please explain me above ... 🙂 [/ Quote]

No problem. You do not comprehend, that a car with less power and less torque can not be faster than a similar car (Klasen / EDS 2.0T measured by magazines) with more power and more torque. That is the sticking point. All comparisons to TTRS car or the Insignia are Klasen-Nardo nonsense. Amen!

If Arno has right with his thesis, you have much more than 268hp and 430nm. And under this condition (only under this condition), your measurements get more reliability.

The only thing which interests me yet, how your car is able to drive with 130 km / h gear in the 2nd ...

Jürgen

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🙂

 ps that car what OPC, same as ttr 2.8t car, talking about comparison ttr car vs opc from Klasen, asking how ttr could be faster if his car has less power / torque

[TTR350]

So, attached please find the chart. Last one as I wrote was some hp more, but not readable when scanned. Also the 4 hp makes no difference. The torque is meassured at the wheels, not clutch. So it`s about 480 NM. Currently I drive another map with approx. 450 NM at the clutch.

The car from Klasen with the GT30 Turbo was never tested 0 - 100 for example. Also it was only mapped for high speed test and not accleration because Klasen only had 4,5 days for build up the car with no fine tuning because the delivery from the Steinmetz ordered OPC was much later as confirmed from Opel. It was one of the first delivered OPC ST.

The Porsche Cayenne Turbo had 19" rims no 20", 22" or somthing like that.

If your car should have more power than the meassured 268,xx I must asked me why the power with stock map also was more than 220 hp- under same cconditions. Makes no sense, right?

[Spannungsprüfer8086]

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Original geschrieben von ASH@EDS

Hello Everybody !

Jooseph is our customer and his car was Tuned with our IPF System .
the cars performance was dramaticly increased , but on the dyno there was a HP differenz measured by heat problems , the dyno is set up with additional retarder break , the transmission loss at 160km/h was nearly 70kW during the test so from my experiance with 20 years dyno testing i know , that even at standart twin dyno rollers there is NEVER more gearbox loss then 20-25kw at 160km/h !

With low power , you get much less heat in the intercooler to exchange , so the stock power run you can do with high retarder loads and small fans , no Problem !

BUT with 300PS you are running 1.45-1.5Bar Boost pressure at the A20NHT engine and your intercooler temperatur it going to rise to the moon at these conditions .... and the ecu is cutting off the power after the boost is coming up latest after 4500RPM , exactly that was happend!

So testing facilitys must have min. 120km/h fan speed and a permanent charge cooler temperatur monitoring , when they READ more then 50-60°C they can stop the dyno test and reduce the redarderload or install better fans for chargecooling !

reg. Arno Schindler
EDS-Fahrzeugtechnik

Here is the reason WHY !!

in my personal opinion , 90% of all dynos worldwide are installed in too small rooms without propper cooling systems , to measure natural aspirated engines ( non turbos ) is easy and the dyno-people normally have not the full experiance to detect wrong measurements only by viewing the dyno graphs .
When ONLY the engine power with tourque and engine speed is recorded , then nobody knows about the chargecooling temp , boost levels and engine component protection management by the ECU that has been reflashed !

regards Arno Schindler
EDS-Fahrzeugtechnik GmbH

[Trennschleifer8544]

RUN1 the factory when the map was measured was at the beginning, the sport we checked the button / torque and the power were fading by few percent on chart / and after that two, the third measurment, run2 map was performed with 310,
any way I think that would be big IC present in the car this year, the question is this safe to not overheat the engine by placing in front of big IC heatsinks

I see on ttr chart that car has aisin automatic gearbox ?