Heute meinen X5 3.0D gechippt !!!
Guten Abend,
eins vorweg ich möchte lediglich meine Freude ausdrücken
und eventuell Leute unter euch meine Erfahrungen mitteilen
die eventl. schwanken ihren X5 E70 3.0D zu "chippen".
Ich besitze ihn seit August2007 und habe nun gut 9.000km auf der Uhr.
Jetzt werden einige "Ganz Helle Köpfe" sagen bevor ich chippe
greife ich zum sD soweit so gut , allerdings als ich meinen 3.0D in Empfang nahm
war es noch garnicht so fest laut meinem Händler wann genau der SD erscheinen wird,
dadurch das wir doch alle Sehr Ungeduldige Menschen sind(jedenfalls ich) griff ich zu einem sehr gutem Ausgestattetem 3.0D in Spacegrau mit Hirschgeweih,Sportpaket und Co.
Nun zum Chiptuning,
dadurch das ich keineswegs ein 0815 tuning an einem 80t€ vornehmen wollte,
sammelte ich erstmal Seriöse Quellen und schaute was Sie in etwa so bringen
und ob es sich mit dem Preislichem in etwa deckt obwohl das jeder anders sehen würde.
Durch meine NL wurde ich an einen Renomierten Spezialisierten Dieseltuner(keine Schleichwerbung,PN kann gern geschrieben werden:-) aufmerksam
der durch eine Common Rail Box eine erhöhte Leistung bringt ( Motorsteuergerät wird hierbei nicht behandelt wie bei einem üblichem Chipping) so eine Box verbaut übrigends
auch AC-Schnitzer für den X5 E53(hatte Sie selbst) für leute die voller Vorurteile
behaftet sind.
nun zu den Fakten
Serie : 235PS / 520nM durch das Tuning nun laut Bosch Prüfstand 281PS/600nM.
In der Theorie kann immer viel stehen, allerdings wollte ich dies nun in der Praxis testen ob das Geld es wirklich "wert" war.Ich kann nur sagen beim Anzug,Durchschalten der Automatik ist ein "Brachialer Positiver Aspekt" haften geblieben der zur Serie mehr als Deutlich ist.Er zieht Butterweich bis Tachoende durch ohne ein "Turboloch" sehr gleichmässig und dennoch sehr enorm druckvoll,dadurch das im E53 die AC-S box schon drin hatte, konnte ich dies ja nun sehr gut vergleichen und kann nur sagen "IMMER WIEDER".
Zum Thema Garantie ich besitze eine 36Monatige Garantie durch den Tuner auf Motor,Achsantrieb,Getriebe.
Man liesst ja viel und es gibt immer Verfechter Contra "Chippen" aber ich kann für mich sagen ein SD ist völlig unbrauchbar, dieser Durchzug beim Auto macht mir schon fast Angst:-) übrigends der Spritverbrauch ist in etwa -/+ 0.5 laut BC gleich geblieben.
Je nach Fahrweise, klar das ich heute testweise oft "PIN" gegeben habe.
Es bringt einfach ein Riesen Lächeln ins Gesicht, ich glaube nur noch
4.8er fahren ist schöner obwohl da müsste ich ne Zapfsäule in meiner Garage anbringen 🙂
MFG
Daniel
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Die Dreistigkeit ist dieses Thema hier zu starten,
die Box seines angeblich durch die NL empfohlenen Tuners zu loben
und dann selbst hier die Boxen zu vertreiben.
Für wie blöd werden hier die Leser gehalten???
Die Boxen würde sicherlich nicht mal Aldi vertreiben...
Ich hab im Netz mal kurz gestöbert, glaube er redet von der Firma:
http://www.dkr-tuning.de/web/index.php
Die sieht ja laut Website eigentlich seriös aus (tun das aber nicht alle?)...ich hätte aber trotzdem Bauchschmerzen, egal wer es macht.
Gruß Steffen
Zitat:
Original geschrieben von Schmerre
Die sieht ja laut Website eigentlich seriös aus (tun das aber nicht alle?)...ich hätte aber trotzdem Bauchschmerzen, egal wer es macht.
Wenn die nur halb so viele Programmierungsfehler wie Rechtschreibefehler machen, kann das nur in die Hose gehen 😁 😉
Gruß
Martin
Wer sich wagt ein Tuningbox ein zu setzen soll es tun.
Ich habe mich vertieft in Tuningboxen und OBD tuning.
Da mussen zu viele Daten geändert werden und das wird mit ne Box wohl nix.
Natürlich wird das subjective Gefühl beim Box anderes Aussagen, da wird ja einfach Brennstof eingeheitzt und der Turbodruck mächtig angehoben aber ein Common Rail hat nun ja auch verschiedene Einspritzmomente und Mengen. Nicht nur für Power aber auch zur Kühlung und beseitigen von Nageln. Da trau ich den Box nix zu was betrifft viele tkm störungsfreier Fahrt.
Jeder seinem Ding aber für mich keinen Box.
Gr., Manfred
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Zitat:
Original geschrieben von matzeX5
Die Dreistigkeit ist dieses Thema hier zu starten,die Box seines angeblich durch die NL empfohlenen Tuners zu loben
und dann selbst hier die Boxen zu vertreiben.
Für wie blöd werden hier die Leser gehalten???
Die Boxen würde sicherlich nicht mal Aldi vertreiben...
@matzex5
gebe ich Dir vollkommen recht!!!
und dann auch noch so blöde Sprüche wie "Ich möchte hier keine Schleichwerbung machen"
"Bei Intresse PN an mich"
Irgenwie hab ich zuerst geglaubt als ich sein Angebot gelesen habe, das sei ein schlechter Film😁😁
Grüße Oliver
Nochmals zum Tuningbox:
Engine management systems have gotten so sophisticated and the knock-control
systems so effective that the power gains achievable from software alone are
often relatively small with modern BMW models. Basically, the engines are tuned
by the factory to produce nearly optimum power based upon the fuel being used
and other factors, leaving less power “on the table” for tuners to extract. Having
said this, we’re seeing some pretty “optimistic” or perhaps more accurately
“exaggerated” power gain claims in the market. As an example, I’ve seen as
much as a 25-hp gain claimed on the new M5 from software tuning alone! While
our research has clearly indicated that there isn’t that much power to be made,
we have purchased our competitors’ software and evaluated it on the dyno,
employing time-tested procedures and state of the art equipment. We have yet
to measure anywhere near the claimed power gains and in fact we are typically
seeing about half of what is being published, even with the removal of the
Hydrocarbon Absorber.
Our competitors often claim that Dinan is “backing off” on potential power gains
for emissions or warranty reasons, or even because BMW is influencing how
aggressive Dinan can be. Nothing could be further from the truth; we’re simply
providing the BMW enthusiast with scientifically valid dyno results. I’m more than
a little proud to say with confidence that we have the largest R&D department of
any BMW aftermarket tuner in the US, state of the art equipment, years of
knowledge and experience. We’re providing the BMW owner with every bit of
power possible from engine management tuning and certainly not “backing off”
for any reason. Our published horsepower and torque gains represent real,
measurable gains, based upon SAE standard J1349.
We will often recommend a high flow air filter. In the case of the M5, no filter
replacement is suggested because our tests revealed no measurable increase in
power over the stock filter. However, the removal of the Hydrocarbon Absorbers,
which have been demonstrated to restrict air-flow, does enable the Dinan
software to be more effective, much like a replacement air filter would for other
models. In both cases more air is flowing, and the Dinan software is tuned for it,
maximizing power output.
We’ve talked a bit about software tuning, along with some extra air-flow from less
restrictive filters. A logical question, then would be what about specific software
tuning for other modifications that might be applied to the cars. Modern BMW
engines are so sensitive to accurate tuning and setting faults that in almost every
case a specific version of software designed for use with an engine modification
will result in not only greater power gains but reduced potential for malfunctions
as well. The more extensive the modifications, the more important specific
software for those modifications becomes. I’ve had customers tell me that there
is no point in tuning a new BMW because there is no power to be gained due to
the fact that the cars are tuned so well from the factory. Fortunately for
enthusiasts, this has not been our experience at all. With the possible exception
of software, we are seeing substantial gains, as large or even larger in some
areas than we have realized from older BMW models. Having said that, the high
performance products themselves require far greater investment in research,
testing and refinement. As you might imagine, it is far more expensive to develop
and produce premium quality performance products today than it has ever been.
If you spend the necessary time to research the vehicle’s inherent weaknesses
and effectively address them, the power gains can be very significant. Using the
M5 as an example once again, the intake system we are developing for the V-10
is producing an additional 20-25 hp with matching software tuning. This will
represent one of the largest power gains we have achieved with this type of
product to date.
In addition to conventional power-tuning such as calibration of fuel mixture,
ignition timing, cam timing and torque limiters, Dinan software offers additional
value as discussed earlier. Removal of the top speed governor enables the driver
to achieve the vehicle’s natural top speed (under the proper conditions, of
course). The increased rev-limit improves acceleration times and allows for
optimized shift points. Drive by Wire programming improves throttle response,
making the car more responsive. In addition, when the car is modified with other
performance products, Dinan software is tuned for sensor transfer function and
fault diagnostic functions, reducing the potential of check engine lights and
ensuring BMW-like drivability. The new BMW control units are very sophisticated
and time consuming to understand properly but the results of these efforts are
well worth the investment.
Earlier in this discussion I mentioned the challenge presented by communication
issues with the modern ECUs. Dinan has successfully worked through these
communication issues with most BMW models and we can now load software
through the OBD II connector on the new (E60) M5, 550, 545, and (E63/64) M6,
645, 650, as well as the X5 and all of the 6 cylinder 3.0 and 2.5 liter engines
found in the 330, Z4, X3, X5, and 5 series from March 2003 through 2005.
That is not to say that future models won’t need to be sent to Dinan for
programming on the bench but our engineers are hard at work to avoid this
approach, at the very least minimizing the number of ECUs that need to be
handled in this manner.
As you can imagine, these challenges and complications have caused software
to take longer to get to market along with a sharp increase in the cost of software
development and the resulting retail prices in recent years. I have seen prices
from $1,500 to $3,000 for (E60) M5 software! Very high indeed, especially if you
factor in a realistic power gain claim. However, considering the cost of
developing software for the new cars and how important it is to a properly
running performance modified BMW, it doesn’t seem like enough! Dinan has
invested literally millions of dollars in recent years on software development and
while it was once a significant profit center for us, we now actually lose money on
this part of our business when you factor in the exorbitant R&D costs.
Regardless, we feel software is very important and absolutely necessary in order
for us to bring you the best running, most reliable performance products possible,
and at a reasonable price. Even with our matching 4 year/50,000 mile warranty,
the absolute best guarantee in the business, and the solid engineering behind
the product, Dinan’s M5 software is the least expensive currently available.
In the future, things will only become more complex and therefore more
challenging from an R & D standpoint. The software will take longer to develop, it
will cost more and the reality is that it will likely produce smaller power gains. At
the same time, software tuning will become even more important when modifying
your car with performance hardware! The one notable exception to this is cars
equipped from the factory with turbo systems. Since the turbo boost control is
accomplished with software, relatively large power gains can be achieved with
software alone. With proper software tuning, the boost can be increased on the
335, for example, to produce an honest 40-50 hp gain. It should be noted that
there is significantly less exaggeration by tuners producing software for
turbocharged cars because the gains are significant.
“Piggy-back” control units will also become more popular as access to the ECUs
and the software inside becomes more difficult. The naturally aspirated engines
will produce more modest power gains, just as with software. However, with
turbos in particular, significant gains can be achieved with piggy-back control
units. Having said that, piggy-back units simply cannot make as much power as
properly tuned software, regardless of the claims being made by companies
selling control units for the 335. Additional important features such as rev-limit
increases and speed governor removal are very difficult and usually not offered
with a piggy-back control unit. More faults and frankly compromised reliability will
also result from these control units when compared to good software. This is
because it is more difficult to obtain correct sensor, fuel mixtures and ignition
timing values without getting a fault. In addition, computer controlled turbos have
safety features that lower boost and re-tune the mixture and timing based on
heat exchanger efficiency, engine temperature and detonation. Often piggy-back
control units will compromise these safety programs because they “fight” these
corrections rather than implement them as would be the case with properly
engineered software.
At the risk of being blunt, it is important to realize that not all software available
out there is calibrated correctly. When we looked at some of the M5 software on
the market for example, we found a significant number of calibration errors. Sure
it takes longer to develop a well-engineered and thoroughly tested product. In
addition, the method by which the software is installed is also an important and
challenging aspect. While it has certainly taken us longer to get our software to
market than some of our competitors, our product improves the performance of
the M5 in many ways, including additional horsepower and torque, and it can be
installed at your local Authorized Dinan Dealer, eliminating the need for owners
to remove their ECU in order to send it somewhere for modification, creating
days of downtime. Clearly the Dinan approach is far more convenient.
Additionally, Dinan’s software is backed by the best warranty available anywhere,
matching the new car warranty coverage for up to 4 years/50,000 miles. No one
offers such a comprehensive warranty on their product, let alone coverage for
any possible “consequential damages”. I invite you to inquire about the details of
other tuners’ warranty on their software and/or piggy-back units.
Keine Werbung für diesen Tuner. Nur algemeine Info. Ist eh zu weit😁
Gr., Manfred
Gr., Manfred