Airmatic Mopf - Vor-Mopf
Hat jemand mittlerweile einen Vergleich, ob die Airmatic im Mopf deutlich komfortabler ausgelegt worden ist, als im Vor-Mopf?
Mit geht es inbesondere um den Ausgleich von kurzen, harten Stößen, die die bisherige Airmatic nicht besonders gut dämpfen konnte. Auch das gelegentliche SUV-typische "nicken und rollen" ist nicht besonders komfortabel.
Ich saß gerade in einer aktuellen E-Klasse, und das waren ernsthalt "Welten" zwischen dem Fahrkomfort zu meinem GLC Vor-Mopf mit Airmatic.... Auch der GLE Mopf ist eine deutlich andere Liga, so dass ich mir ernsthaft überlege, nochmals einen GLC zu ordern...
P.S.: Ich konnte bisher keinen GLC Mopf mit Airmatic probefahren...
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I did a ride in a GLC with Sport suspension and 20" tires, and one with Air Body Control and the same 20" tires. The goal was to find out the necessity of Air Body Control for 20" tires. We also test-drove one with 18" tires, and a normal chassis.
The results
- 18" + normal chassis: comfortable ride
- 20" + sport chassis: very bumpy (car reacts and wiggles aggressively in road bumps)
- 20" + air body control: as comfortable as the 18" + normal chassis.
Some of my observations on ABC itself
- ABC cannot fully compensate for the effect on the larger tires. If you want max comfort, choose first 18" or smaller tires, and add ABC as additional luxury.
- ABC does not give you a ride like you "drive on a cushion". The GLC has some sportive properties, compared to e.g. a Ford Kuga that I drove as a rental car recently (on even smaller 16/17" wheels).
- ABC especially excels at removing short bumps in the road. If left-right tires are excited different (e.g. a bump on one side only), the car "is captured" and reacts/wiggles. I assume this is partly due to the 20" tires.
- The effect of changing settings in the ABC is very apparent, i.e. it is doing its job relatively well). As in a Mercedes-written book (see below) the normal Agility suspension is considered to be more close to the Sport mode, it can be easily compared to the properties of Comfort mode. That gives you an easy way to decide.
- The advantage of ABC is in more aspects. e.g. being able to select the hardness of the suspension (nice on highways), keep the car more balanced when driving through corners, at high speeds (>125km/h) the car automatically lowers itself to give a better air resistance, and the car can be lifted 5cm overall for bad roads, the car be lowered 4cm at the back for easier access of the trunk.
The only "scientific" measurements on ABC I found in a youtube movie, where a Mercedes C-class and Porsche are compared. There it is obvious that the ABC is doing its work (see first image).
Some other reference can be found in the book Mercedes-Benz E-Klassel; Entwicklung und Technik des W213. In the book a symbolic picture can be found, expressing the dampening and eigenfrequencies (see second image).
I've assembled experiences when I was searching for the options myself, see this thread if you are interested.
If you go for 20" tires, I would recommend ABC. If you go for 18" tires, ABC is an additional luxury option. I would certainly go for the option again.
PS: Excuse my English, my German writing skills are poor.
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Da hast du Recht.
Je grösser die Felge, desto weniger Federweg hat der Reifen und das ist natürlich bei jeder Art von Fahrwerk spürbar und normale Physik.
Gut, dann mach die Diskussion ohne Felgeninformation kein Sinn für mich.
Die Frage ist für mich eher, wie unterschiedlich der Federungskomfort z.B. bei 20“ Felgen mit Luftfederung im Vergleich zu den anderen Fahrwerken (Sport, Std., adapt. Dämpfer) ist. Mir ist Fahrkomfort wichtig, aber die 20“ gefallen mir gut ;-)
Weiss jemand wie „gross“ die Spreizung zwischen Sport und Komfort ist ?
Ist das deutlich spürbar ?
Wie ist Spreizung im Vergleich zu den adapt. Dämpfern ?
I did a ride in a GLC with Sport suspension and 20" tires, and one with Air Body Control and the same 20" tires. The goal was to find out the necessity of Air Body Control for 20" tires. We also test-drove one with 18" tires, and a normal chassis.
The results
- 18" + normal chassis: comfortable ride
- 20" + sport chassis: very bumpy (car reacts and wiggles aggressively in road bumps)
- 20" + air body control: as comfortable as the 18" + normal chassis.
Some of my observations on ABC itself
- ABC cannot fully compensate for the effect on the larger tires. If you want max comfort, choose first 18" or smaller tires, and add ABC as additional luxury.
- ABC does not give you a ride like you "drive on a cushion". The GLC has some sportive properties, compared to e.g. a Ford Kuga that I drove as a rental car recently (on even smaller 16/17" wheels).
- ABC especially excels at removing short bumps in the road. If left-right tires are excited different (e.g. a bump on one side only), the car "is captured" and reacts/wiggles. I assume this is partly due to the 20" tires.
- The effect of changing settings in the ABC is very apparent, i.e. it is doing its job relatively well). As in a Mercedes-written book (see below) the normal Agility suspension is considered to be more close to the Sport mode, it can be easily compared to the properties of Comfort mode. That gives you an easy way to decide.
- The advantage of ABC is in more aspects. e.g. being able to select the hardness of the suspension (nice on highways), keep the car more balanced when driving through corners, at high speeds (>125km/h) the car automatically lowers itself to give a better air resistance, and the car can be lifted 5cm overall for bad roads, the car be lowered 4cm at the back for easier access of the trunk.
The only "scientific" measurements on ABC I found in a youtube movie, where a Mercedes C-class and Porsche are compared. There it is obvious that the ABC is doing its work (see first image).
Some other reference can be found in the book Mercedes-Benz E-Klassel; Entwicklung und Technik des W213. In the book a symbolic picture can be found, expressing the dampening and eigenfrequencies (see second image).
I've assembled experiences when I was searching for the options myself, see this thread if you are interested.
If you go for 20" tires, I would recommend ABC. If you go for 18" tires, ABC is an additional luxury option. I would certainly go for the option again.
PS: Excuse my English, my German writing skills are poor.
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Nun endlich habe ich den GLC 400d mit Air Body Control (umgangsprachlich Airmatic in diesem Beitrag) übernommen und kann meine Frage nun abschließen.
Zwischen Vor-Mopf und Mopf bestehen deutliche Unterschiede im Fahrwerk. Man merkt die Neuabstimmung sehr deutlich zugunsten des Komfortanspruchs im Mopf. Dagegen erscheint die Vor-Mopf Abstimmung mit dem Luftfahrwerk "ruppig" und "unausgewogen".
Ich beziehe mcih übrigens im Vergleich auf die identische Rädergröße des Offroad-Pakets, also 18 Zoll.
Die in den aktuellen Tests monierten Stöße bei Flicken oder Kanten haben sich im Vergleich zum Vor-Mopf sehr deutlich reduziert. Die jetzige Abstimmung steht der aktuellen E-Klasse m.E. in nichts nach (die bin ich gerade gefahren).
Wer also den "typischen" Fahrkomfort von Mercedes mag, sollte beherzt zum Luftfahrwerk greifen...
Das war auch immer mein Empfinden bei den Testfahrten mit dem VorMopf als Airmatic. Dazu die Unsicherheit etwaig teurer Reparaturen (Kauffahrzeug, soll ca. 10J gefahren werden.) Darum hatte ich mich für das standard Fahrwerk entschieden.
Viel Spass und allzeit gute Fahrt, mit dem 400er.