Fachmannrat gesucht für folgendes Problem:
Hallo Liebe Mitglieder,
Nun ist es wieder so weit, habe das Problem schon wieder nach 4 monatiger Ruhe die von alleine kam!!!
Der motor läuft in 5 von 6 fällen kalt oder warm wieder im standgas unrund, motorlampe leuchtet fleißig sobald man gas gibt und meistens in dem moment wenn das getriebe schaltet, bei beschleunigen selten probleme meistens zieht er durch und schaltet sehr sauber!!
Beim automatischen gangschalten tritt der fehler meistens wieder auf und man merkt dass einige zylinder abgeschaltet werden und die lampe blinkt wieder, und keiner weiß rat trotz star diagnose die folgendes aussagt. Bitte um jegliche tips oder Erfahrungen.
Kann jemand damit was anfangen um einige tips zu geben wo man hier am besten anfängt?
Es wurde bereits erneuert: Kerzen, Kerzenkabel, (Luftmengenmsser von der Konkurrenz, der aber vielleicht seinen zweck doch nicht gut erfüllt da das auto damit nur beim zweiten mal startet und beim ersten mal wieder abstirbt!!! und Luftfilter.
Das auto macht den fehler sei es bei LPG als auch bei Benzin, mal sehr stark mal garnicht, laufleistung circa 200 000 km, die kats sind erneuert worden also in ordnung, ölkühler verliert ein wenig öl und bei 2 kerzen siht man leichtes ölschwitzen, jedoch alles im rahmen des gewöhnliches!!
VIELEN DANK IM VORAUS!!
STAR DIAGNOSE AUSZUG:
P2085-002 Self-adaptation of mixture formation for left bank of cylinders is at
limit value (at part load). : Enleanment below permissible limit
(P0175)
Current and
stored
Name Current values (first/last) Unit
Fault Type Signal is too small.
CARB MIL lamp OFF
Fault code (decimal) 133
Fault frequency 10
Engine load 31 | 15 %
Coolant temperature 80 | 82 °C
Selfadaptation in idle speed range, right bank of
cylinders
0.461 | 0.410 ms
Self-adaptation factor in partial load operation,
right cylinder bank
1.042 | 1.038
Selfadaptation in idle speed range, left bank of
cylinders
0.205 | 0.307 ms
Self-adaptation factor in partial load operation,
left cylinder bank
0.699 | 0.675
Engine speed 1050 | 725 1/min
Vehicle speed 42 | 33 km/h
Intake manifold pressure 502 | 281 hPa
Intake air temperature 22 | 31 °C
Driving distance since fault memory was erased 0 | 280 km
Time since engine start 17 | 15 min
Ignition angle -26.2 | -18.0 °KW
Idle speed detection OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Full load detection OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Deceleration recognition OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Secondary air injection pump OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Exhaust gas recirculation YES | NO
Fuel tank cap OPEN/CLOSED | OPEN/CLOSED
Underspeed exit YES/NO | YES/NO
Purge control OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Throttle valve angle 6.0 | 2.2 °DK
Fuel tank level 16 | 25 l
Lambda control, before TWC right 1.007 | 0.984
Lambda control, before TWC left 0.956 | 1.019
Status of Lambda control for right cylinder bank Active | Active
Status of Lambda control for left cylinder bank Active | Active
P2050 Misfiring , Damages TWC ( See currently valid STIP ) (P0300) I STORED
Name Current values (first/last) Unit
Fault Type Signal is too large.
CARB MIL lamp FLASHING
Fault code (decimal) 80
Fault frequency 11
Engine load 49 | 91 %
Coolant temperature 47 | 80 °C
Selfadaptation in idle speed range, right bank of
cylinders
0.563 | 0.358 ms
Self-adaptation factor in partial load operation,
right cylinder bank
1.066 | 1.264
Selfadaptation in idle speed range, left bank of
cylinders
0.461 | -0.051 ms
Self-adaptation factor in partial load operation,
left cylinder bank
0.648 | 0.648
Engine speed 1750 | 2750 1/min
Vehicle speed 73 | 69 km/h
Intake manifold pressure 583 | 944 hPa
Intake air temperature 5 | 30 °C
Driving distance since fault memory was erased 0 | 200 km
Time since engine start 3 | 1 min
Ignition angle -27.0 | -15.8 °KW
Idle speed detection OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Full load detection OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Deceleration recognition OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Secondary air injection pump OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Exhaust gas recirculation NO | NO
Fuel tank cap OPEN/CLOSED | OPEN/CLOSED
Underspeed exit YES/NO | YES/NO
Purge control OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Throttle valve angle 11.7 | 36.7 °DK
Fuel tank level 15 | 27 l
Lambda control, before TWC right 1.038 | 0.921
Lambda control, before TWC left 1.249 | 1.073
Status of Lambda control for right cylinder bank Active | Active
Status of Lambda control for left cylinder bank Active | Active
P2052 Misfiring of cylinder 5, damages TWC ( See currently valid STIP )
(P0305)
I STORED
Name Current values (first/last) Unit
Fault Type Signal is too large.
CARB MIL lamp FLASHING
Fault code (decimal) 82
Fault frequency 12
Engine load 80 | 55 %
Coolant temperature 47 | 84 °C
Selfadaptation in idle speed range, right bank of
cylinders
0.563 | 0.358 ms
Self-adaptation factor in partial load operation,
right cylinder bank
1.116 | 1.011
Selfadaptation in idle speed range, left bank of
cylinders
0.461 | -0.051 ms
Self-adaptation factor in partial load operation,
left cylinder bank
0.664 | 0.648
Engine speed 1700 | 1275 1/min
Vehicle speed 72 | 42 km/h
Intake manifold pressure 895 | 793 hPa
Intake air temperature 5 | 32 °C
Driving distance since fault memory was erased 0 | 200 km
Time since engine start 3 | 1 min
Ignition angle -17.2 | -21.0 °KW
Idle speed detection OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Full load detection OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Deceleration recognition OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Secondary air injection pump OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Exhaust gas recirculation NO | YES
Fuel tank cap OPEN/CLOSED | OPEN/CLOSED
Underspeed exit YES/NO | YES/NO
Purge control OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Throttle valve angle 25.0 | 11.7 °DK
Fuel tank level 15 | 27 l
Lambda control, before TWC right 0.999 | 0.999
Lambda control, before TWC left 0.999 | 0.999
Status of Lambda control for right cylinder bank Not active ( Fault status ) | Not active ( Fault
status )
Status of Lambda control for left cylinder bank Not active ( Fault status ) | Not active ( Fault
status )
P2055 Misfiring of cylinder 6, damages TWC ( See currently valid STIP )
(P0306)
I STORED
Name Current values (first/last) Unit
Fault Type Signal is too large.
CARB MIL lamp FLASHING
Fault code (decimal) 85
Fault frequency 12
Engine load 83 | 55 %
Coolant temperature 47 | 84 °C
Selfadaptation in idle speed range, right bank of
cylinders
0.563 | 0.358 ms
Self-adaptation factor in partial load operation,
right cylinder bank
1.214 | 1.011
Selfadaptation in idle speed range, left bank of
cylinders
0.461 | -0.051 ms
Self-adaptation factor in partial load operation,
left cylinder bank
0.691 | 0.648
Engine speed 1750 | 1200 1/min
Vehicle speed 72 | 42 km/h
Intake manifold pressure 912 | 793 hPa
Intake air temperature 5 | 32 °C
Driving distance since fault memory was erased 0 | 200 km
Time since engine start 3 | 1 min
Ignition angle -15.8 | -20.2 °KW
Idle speed detection OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Full load detection OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Deceleration recognition OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Secondary air injection pump OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Exhaust gas recirculation NO | YES
Fuel tank cap OPEN/CLOSED | OPEN/CLOSED
Underspeed exit YES/NO | YES/NO
Purge control OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Throttle valve angle 25.9 | 11.7 °DK
Fuel tank level 15 | 27 l
Lambda control, before TWC right 0.999 | 0.999
Lambda control, before TWC left 0.999 | 0.999
Status of Lambda control for right cylinder bank Not active ( Fault status ) | Not active ( Fault
status )
Status of Lambda control for left cylinder bank Not active ( Fault status ) | Not active ( Fault
status )
P2057 Misfiring of cylinder 7, damages TWC ( See currently valid STIP )
(P0307)
I STORED
Name Current values (first/last) Unit
Fault Type Signal is too large.
CARB MIL lamp FLASHING
Fault code (decimal) 87
Fault frequency 12
Engine load 84 | 55 %
Coolant temperature 47 | 84 °C
Selfadaptation in idle speed range, right bank of
cylinders
0.563 | 0.358 ms
Self-adaptation factor in partial load operation,
right cylinder bank
1.214 | 1.011
Selfadaptation in idle speed range, left bank of
cylinders
0.461 | -0.051 ms
Self-adaptation factor in partial load operation,
left cylinder bank
0.691 | 0.648
Engine speed 1800 | 1200 1/min
Vehicle speed 71 | 42 km/h
Intake manifold pressure 928 | 793 hPa
Intake air temperature 5 | 32 °C
Driving distance since fault memory was erased 0 | 200 km
Time since engine start 3 | 1 min
Ignition angle -15.8 | -20.2 °KW
Idle speed detection OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Full load detection OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Deceleration recognition OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Secondary air injection pump OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Exhaust gas recirculation NO | YES
Fuel tank cap OPEN/CLOSED | OPEN/CLOSED
Underspeed exit YES/NO | YES/NO
Purge control OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Throttle valve angle 26.6 | 11.7 °DK
Fuel tank level 15 | 27 l
Lambda control, before TWC right 0.999 | 0.999
Lambda control, before TWC left 0.999 | 0.999
Status of Lambda control for right cylinder bank Not active ( Fault status ) | Not active ( Fault
status )
Status of Lambda control for left cylinder bank Not active ( Fault status ) | Not active ( Fault
status )
P2058 Misfiring of cylinder 8, damages TWC ( See currently valid STIP )
(P0308)
I STORED
Name Current values (first/last) Unit
Fault Type Signal is too large.
CARB MIL lamp FLASHING
Fault code (decimal) 88
Fault frequency 6
Engine load 85 | 62 %
Coolant temperature 47 | 80 °C
Selfadaptation in idle speed range, right bank of
cylinders
0.563 | 0.563 ms
Self-adaptation factor in partial load operation,
right cylinder bank
1.214 | 1.120
Selfadaptation in idle speed range, left bank of
cylinders
0.461 | 0.461 ms
Self-adaptation factor in partial load operation,
left cylinder bank
0.691 | 0.664
Engine speed 1800 | 1750 1/min
Vehicle speed 71 | 75 km/h
Intake manifold pressure 928 | 820 hPa
Intake air temperature 5 | 7 °C
Driving distance since fault memory was erased 0 | 40 km
Time since engine start 3 | 2 min
Ignition angle -15.0 | -22.5 °KW
Idle speed detection OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Full load detection OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Deceleration recognition OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Secondary air injection pump OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Exhaust gas recirculation NO | YES
Fuel tank cap OPEN/CLOSED | OPEN/CLOSED
Underspeed exit YES/NO | YES/NO
Purge control OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Throttle valve angle 26.6 | 15.5 °DK
Fuel tank level 15 | 13 l
Lambda control, before TWC right 0.999 | 0.999
Lambda control, before TWC left 0.999 | 0.999
Status of Lambda control for right cylinder bank Not active ( Fault status ) | Not active ( Fault
status )
Status of Lambda control for left cylinder bank Not active ( Fault status ) | Not active ( Fault
status )
P2043 Misfiring ( See currently valid STIP ) (P0300) I STORED
Name Current values (first/last) Unit
Fault Type Signal is too large.
CARB MIL lamp ON
Fault code (decimal) 67
Fault frequency 3
Engine load 35 | 45 %
Coolant temperature 60 | 80 °C
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Selfadaptation in idle speed range, right bank of
cylinders
0.563 | 0.563 ms
Self-adaptation factor in partial load operation,
right cylinder bank
1.066 | 1.066
Selfadaptation in idle speed range, left bank of
cylinders
0.461 | 0.461 ms
Self-adaptation factor in partial load operation,
left cylinder bank
0.648 | 0.648
Engine speed 1425 | 1550 1/min
Vehicle speed 65 | 67 km/h
Intake manifold pressure 442 | 658 hPa
Intake air temperature 6 | 7 °C
Driving distance since fault memory was erased 40 | 40 km
Time since engine start 0 | 2 min
Ignition angle -24.0 | -29.2 °KW
Idle speed detection OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Full load detection OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Deceleration recognition OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Secondary air injection pump OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Exhaust gas recirculation NO | YES
Fuel tank cap OPEN/CLOSED | OPEN/CLOSED
Underspeed exit YES/NO | YES/NO
Purge control OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Throttle valve angle 8.5 | 10.4 °DK
Fuel tank level 15 | 13 l
Lambda control, before TWC right 0.999 | 0.999
Lambda control, before TWC left 0.999 | 0.999
Status of Lambda control for right cylinder bank Not active ( Fault status ) | Not active ( Fault
status )
Status of Lambda control for left cylinder bank Not active ( Fault status ) | Not active ( Fault
status )
P2045 Misfiring of cylinder 5 ( See currently valid STIP ) (P0305) I STORED
Name Current values (first/last) Unit
Fault Type Signal is too large.
CARB MIL lamp ON
Fault code (decimal) 69
Fault frequency 1
Engine load 35 | 36 %
Coolant temperature 60 | 60 °C
Selfadaptation in idle speed range, right bank of
cylinders
0.563 | 0.563 ms
Self-adaptation factor in partial load operation,
right cylinder bank
1.066 | 1.066
Selfadaptation in idle speed range, left bank of
cylinders
0.461 | 0.461 ms
Self-adaptation factor in partial load operation,
left cylinder bank
0.648 | 0.648
Engine speed 1425 | 1425 1/min
Vehicle speed 65 | 65 km/h
Intake manifold pressure 442 | 448 hPa
Intake air temperature 6 | 6 °C
Driving distance since fault memory was erased 40 | 40 km
Time since engine start 0 | 0 min
Ignition angle -24.0 | -24.8 °KW
Idle speed detection OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Full load detection OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Deceleration recognition OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Secondary air injection pump OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Exhaust gas recirculation NO | NO
Fuel tank cap OPEN/CLOSED | OPEN/CLOSED
Underspeed exit YES/NO | YES/NO
Purge control OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Throttle valve angle 8.9 | 8.5 °DK
Fuel tank level 15 | 15 l
Lambda control, before TWC right 0.999 | 0.999
Lambda control, before TWC left 0.999 | 0.999
Status of Lambda control for right cylinder bank Not active ( Fault status ) | Not active ( Fault
status )
Status of Lambda control for left cylinder bank Not active ( Fault status ) | Not active ( Fault
status )
P2048 Misfiring of cylinder 6 ( See currently valid STIP ) (P0306) I STORED
Name Current values (first/last) Unit
Fault Type Signal is too large.
CARB MIL lamp ON
Fault code (decimal) 72
Fault frequency 3
Engine load 36 | 45 %
Coolant temperature 60 | 80 °C
Selfadaptation in idle speed range, right bank of
cylinders
0.563 | 0.563 ms
Self-adaptation factor in partial load operation,
right cylinder bank
1.066 | 1.066
Selfadaptation in idle speed range, left bank of
cylinders
0.461 | 0.461 ms
Self-adaptation factor in partial load operation,
left cylinder bank
0.648 | 0.648
Engine speed 1425 | 1550 1/min
Vehicle speed 65 | 67 km/h
Intake manifold pressure 448 | 658 hPa
Intake air temperature 6 | 7 °C
Driving distance since fault memory was erased 40 | 40 km
Time since engine start 0 | 2 min
Ignition angle -24.0 | -29.2 °KW
Idle speed detection OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Full load detection OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Deceleration recognition OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Secondary air injection pump OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Exhaust gas recirculation NO | YES
Fuel tank cap OPEN/CLOSED | OPEN/CLOSED
Underspeed exit YES/NO | YES/NO
Purge control OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Throttle valve angle 8.5 | 10.4 °DK
Fuel tank level 15 | 13 l
Lambda control, before TWC right 0.999 | 0.999
Lambda control, before TWC left 0.999 | 0.999
Status of Lambda control for right cylinder bank Not active ( Fault status ) | Not active ( Fault
status )
Status of Lambda control for left cylinder bank Not active ( Fault status ) | Not active ( Fault
status )
P200C-001 G3/4 (Right O2 sensor, before TWC [KAT]) Aging, correction
variable exceeded : Delay time too long (P2096)
STORED
Name Current values (first/last) Unit
Fault Type Signal is too large.
CARB MIL lamp OFF
Fault code (decimal) 12
Fault frequency 1
Engine load 34 | 34 %
Coolant temperature 82 | 82 °C
Selfadaptation in idle speed range, right bank of
cylinders
0.461 | 0.461 ms
Self-adaptation factor in partial load operation,
right cylinder bank
1.011 | 1.011
Selfadaptation in idle speed range, left bank of
cylinders
0.000 | 0.000 ms
Self-adaptation factor in partial load operation,
left cylinder bank
0.722 | 0.722
Engine speed 1150 | 1150 1/min
Vehicle speed 25 | 25 km/h
Intake manifold pressure 539 | 529 hPa
Intake air temperature 27 | 27 °C
Driving distance since fault memory was erased 240 | 240 km
Time since engine start 25 | 25 min
Ignition angle -27.0 | -27.0 °KW
Idle speed detection OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Full load detection OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Deceleration recognition OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Secondary air injection pump OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Exhaust gas recirculation YES | YES
Fuel tank cap OPEN/CLOSED | OPEN/CLOSED
Underspeed exit YES/NO | YES/NO
Purge control OFF/ON | OFF/ON
Throttle valve angle 7.0 | 7.0 °DK
Fuel tank level 25 | 25 l
Lambda control, before TWC right 0.980 | 0.980
Lambda control, before TWC left 0.867 | 0.867
Status of Lambda control for right cylinder bank Active | Active
Status of Lambda control for left cylinder bank Active | Active
7 Antworten
Hallo, bin KEIN Fachmann, aber.... hochinteressant !
P20xx Misfiring of cylinder y
das soll eine MB-Werkstatt nicht finden? 😰
und gleich auf einer kompletten Bank ?
Kann ich nicht glauben...... bitte weiter berichten !
mit vollem Interesse und
Gruetzi 😎 Miteinand
Der Hinweis "Misfiring" macht nachdenklich.
An den Kerzen wird es kaum liegen - dann eher schon an den Ventilen (vermutlich ein Materialfehler). So erging es einem Bekannten (bei einem c200 - du schreibst leider nicht, welcher Wagen dich bekümmert). Der war schliesslich wirklich total sauer auf die Sternen-Macher; keine Kulanz, nichts. Angeblich sei dieses Problem nicht selten ...
Der Wagen hatte erst 90'000 km. Und nach teurem Ersatz verkaufte er den Wagen, um bei BMW zu landen.
Hallo Tom,
Es ist nicht dass die Werkstatt den Fehler nicht findet, aber wenn ich die Werkstatt in ihrer Irrfahrt weiter machen lasse dann habe ich bald einen neuen motor drinn!
Sie haben erst LMM, dann Kerzen, dann Kerzenkabel, dann Kat's gewechselt und nun ist mir das genug... viele euros weniger und gleiches Problem, und die Frecheit noch zu hören bis nun haben wir jeden Fhler beheben können ich soll nur das auto wieder da lassen!!
Was sagst nun dazu 🙂))) ich muss immer noch aus ironie grinzen mit dieser aussage, die sehen bald ein Cash-Cow in mir!
Lg,
Rocky
Hallo,
Hatte auch mal Fehlzündungen in der Diagnose...
War dann aber letzendlich das Motorsteuergerät - war aber beim V12...
Gruß
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Oje der V12 war in meiner engen wahl beim kauf bis mir die Mercedes werkstat sagte das auto ist bei unregelmäsigkeiten kaum noch zu richten!!
Das hatte mich damals abgeschreckt und nun habe ich selber sogar beim 8V diese schrecklichen ereignisse die kaum zu beheben sind von mechaniker die wenig erfahrung haben bei solchen grossen motoren!
Leider kommt es mir vor dass bei uns nur sehr wenige V8 in der gegend sind, und da fehlt den mechanikern die erfahrung mit diese motoren und deren krankheiten.
Hallo,
Ja - die haben auch mehrere Wochen gesucht - aber da gehörte der Wagen zum Glück dann schon denen😁
Kann Dir hier aber leider auch nur den Rat geben eine NL auszusuchen die in einer Wohlhabenden Gegend liegt - die haben zumindest Erfahrung mit diesem Motor...
Gruß
Das ist natürlich recht so wenn sie auf eigene kosten die probleme finden....
Die gegend ist sehr wohlhabend aber vergiss mal nicht dass je wohlhabender der Bauer ist desto geiziger wird er, also siht man diese autos nur alle 8 monate mal einen vorbeifahren!!
Viele glauben Ihr geld man in ein anderes Leben mitnehmen zu können!! 🙂))))