Schlepphund - Schleppachse

[Locke1971]

Wer kennt sich aus, wie und was man mit einem Schleppanhänger, oder Schlepphund ziehen darf. Es gibt ja gebremst und ungebremste und vermute, auch wenn diese Dinger zulassungsfrei sind, so gelten doch die Anhängelasten des Zugfahrzeug, was bedeutet, dass ein ungebremster Hund nur für Fahrzeuge bis 750kg bei einem PKW, als Zugfahrzeug, gilt.

Gruß

Jürgen

[Go}][{esZorN]

Nein, es ist nicht für eine gelegentliche Fahrzeugüberführung tauglich, sondern nur zum ABschleppen. Man könnte es auch Bergung nennen.

[steini111]

Eben, nur zur Bergung zugelassen, allerdings braucht man einen Anhänger um die Schleppachse zu dem Liegenbleiber zu bringen. Von daher werden die Dinger nicht mehr verwendet.

[motohunde]

hi, i have a question about this - there seems to be 2 different versions of the abhunde and germany seems to have only the smaller version with small wheels under the axle itself, instead of being the bigger version with regular big car wheels on 2 sides of the axle, so which version of this is the Law actually talking about and can someone post a link to an actual Law or Act that doesn't allow to use the bigger axle for some reason?

the thing is that if you try to drive around with the smaller version with smaller wheels, then it is quite obvious that the smaller wheels might want to bounce a lot more in the middle of the axle(smaller gap) with even some possible unbalanced weight on top of it, but i do not understand how could any of the bigger versions with 2 big wheels with more distance apart from eachother could cause any issues, especially when it's permanently attached to a car in the front with a thicc metal bar?
plus the bigger version even seems to be much more safer than a huge trailer itself, because you will obviously have less weight to carry around and the weight actually sits on the road itself, instead of being high up in the air with questionable attachments and possible tire/axle movements on the platform and even the tires itself blowing up under the huge trailer ?

[schreyhalz]

Moin Moin !
A trailing axle is nothing more than a towing aid, i.e. seen like a towing rope or tow bar.

As a result, neither trailer loads nor driver license regulations apply.

However, only broken down vehicles may be removed from the traffic area, no ABs may be driven on and all other towing rules must be observed.
MfG Volker

[motohunde]

ok, but does it also apply to the regular smaller roads or only the fast highways? it's even kinda weird that someone in an office somewhere is actually trying to think that a soft rope is somehow similar to a stiff metal frame...

[schreyhalz]

Moin Moin !
You don't understand the whole problem! It is in no way about the technology or construction of a towing axle, but rather about its legal assessment and admissibility. In Germany a distinction is made between towing "Schleppen" and towing "Abschleppen". Towing "Schleppen" is the act of moving another vehicle to another location without loading that vehicle onto a trailer or truck. This is fundamentally not permitted. There is an exception where a permit can be granted, but this is only granted in cases where it is not technically possible otherwise, for example in the case of overly wide or extremely heavy vehicles.
Towing "Abschleppen", on the other hand, is the removal of a vehicle that has become inoperable from the traffic area. So an emergency aid to rule out a traffic hazard. Special rules apply, and one of them is that you have to leave the motorway at the next exit if the broken down vehicle has broken down on the motorway. It may only be towed to the nearest workshop.
When towing "Abschleppen", the rules regarding permissible trailer loads or driving license classes do not apply. Therefore, the towing axle may only be used for this purpose. Legally it is considered a tow rope or tow bar.
MfG Volker

[motohunde]

ok, but can you put some longer stuff on the roof rack and only have to mark the ends if they stick out over 1m? and dont have to mark anything when it stays within 1m from the car's own length?

[schreyhalz]

Now that's a completely different topic!
I'll quote §22 StVO (translated)
Road Traffic Regulations (StVO)
§ 22 Charge
(1) The load, including devices for securing loads and loading equipment, must be stowed and secured in such a way that they cannot slip, fall over, roll back and forth, fall down or generate avoidable noise, even in the event of emergency braking or sudden evasive movement. The recognized rules of technology must be observed.
(2) The vehicle and load together may not be wider than 2.55 m and not higher than 4 m. Vehicles used for agricultural or forestry purposes, when loaded with agricultural or forestry products or work equipment, may not be wider than 3 m including their load. If they are loaded with agricultural or forestry products, they and their load may be higher than 4 m. Refrigerated vehicles may not be wider than 2.60 m.
(3) The load may not protrude forward over the vehicle up to a height of 2.50 m, or over the towing vehicle in the case of trains. Furthermore, the load may protrude up to 50 cm from the front of the vehicle and, in the case of trains, up to 50 cm from the towing vehicle.
(4) The load may protrude to the rear by up to 1.50 m, but up to 3 m when transported over a distance of up to 100 km; The distances traveled outside the scope of this Regulation are not taken into account. Vehicle or train including load may not be longer than 20.75 m. If the outermost end of the load protrudes more than 1 m to the rear beyond the vehicle's reflectors, it must be identified by at least

1.
a bright red flag measuring no less than 30 x 30 cm and held apart by a crossbar,
2.
a bright red sign of the same size, hung across the direction of travel or
3.
a vertically mounted cylindrical body of the same color and height with a diameter of at least 35 cm.

These safety devices may not be installed higher than 1.50 m above the road. If necessary (§ 17 paragraph 1), at least one lamp with red light must be installed in the same place, as well as a red reflector no higher than 90 cm.
(5) If the load protrudes laterally by more than 40 cm above the vehicle lights, or in the case of motor vehicles beyond the outer edge of the light exit surfaces of the side or tail lights, it must be identified, if necessary (§ 17 paragraph 1), on the side a maximum of 40 cm from the edge and a maximum of 1.50 m above the roadway with a white light to the front and a red light to the rear. Individual rods or posts, horizontal plates and other objects that are difficult to see must not protrude from the sides.

MfG Volker

[motohunde]

ok thank you, but it can probably be 0,5+1m=1,5m in total without any markings then? and only max 0,5m at the front every time then?

[schreyhalz]

No , please read §22 exactly!

at the front: only loads that are at a height of between 2.5 and 4 m may protrude a maximum of 50 cm
rear: max. 1 m above the reflectors without identification

MfG Volker

[motohunde]

ok, so nothing over the front if its under 2,5meters, but can go even over 3meters at the back(with markings), even when its over 100km aka not some short local trips?

[schreyhalz]

Zitat:

ok, so nothing over the front if its under 2,5meters

Right

Zitat:

but can go even over 3meters at the back(with markings),

Never!

Zitat:

even when its over 100km aka not some short local trips?

No , max. 1,5 m over 100 km. 1,5-3 m only for short trips.